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		<title>By: Jason Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

I built the Test Confidence Calculator to do just that. You an plug in your numbers and run &quot;what if&quot; type analysis to determine what kind of volume and CR you need to reach statistical significance. http://www.keystonesolutions.com/community/2011/05/optimization-test-confidence-calculator/

Hope you find this helpful.

-jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>I built the Test Confidence Calculator to do just that. You an plug in your numbers and run &#8220;what if&#8221; type analysis to determine what kind of volume and CR you need to reach statistical significance. <a href="http://www.keystonesolutions.com/community/2011/05/optimization-test-confidence-calculator/" rel="nofollow">http://www.keystonesolutions.com/community/2011/05/optimization-test-confidence-calculator/</a></p>
<p>Hope you find this helpful.</p>
<p>-jason</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://emptymind.org/understanding-statistical-significance-with-omniture-test-target/comment-page-1/#comment-3850</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason, 

Great page, but I found myself totally lost right at the point all the reading through formulas was supposed to pay off! I&#039;m trying to find a way to estimate how many Visitors I&#039;ll need to get significant results if the trends from the last two months continue - that is, I have lots of data, but no clear winner between a couple of different experiences. 

Can anyone spell out for me what this last formula is saying:

Student’s T-Test = 1 – TDIST(ABS(0.84),(4003 + 4008 -2),2) = 0.60

? 

Is there any way to say (sticking with your example) if the CR&#039;s stay at approximately the same level they have been, how many visits would one need to be confident in the differences that one is seeing?

Thanks for any pointers.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason, </p>
<p>Great page, but I found myself totally lost right at the point all the reading through formulas was supposed to pay off! I&#8217;m trying to find a way to estimate how many Visitors I&#8217;ll need to get significant results if the trends from the last two months continue &#8211; that is, I have lots of data, but no clear winner between a couple of different experiences. </p>
<p>Can anyone spell out for me what this last formula is saying:</p>
<p>Student’s T-Test = 1 – TDIST(ABS(0.84),(4003 + 4008 -2),2) = 0.60</p>
<p>? </p>
<p>Is there any way to say (sticking with your example) if the CR&#8217;s stay at approximately the same level they have been, how many visits would one need to be confident in the differences that one is seeing?</p>
<p>Thanks for any pointers.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Whitaker</title>
		<link>http://emptymind.org/understanding-statistical-significance-with-omniture-test-target/comment-page-1/#comment-3054</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Whitaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the late comment, but just discovered your blog...

Love worked examples like this, but I would just point that you are starting off with a binomial distribution (conversion rate) but then use a normal distribution for some other calculations (T-Test and confidence intervals). This is totally fine as the normal distribution does approximate the binomial for large number of trials and conversion rates that are not too close to 0 or 1.

The takeaway is just that you should not jump to conclusions about the control and alternative until you have a decent number of trials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the late comment, but just discovered your blog&#8230;</p>
<p>Love worked examples like this, but I would just point that you are starting off with a binomial distribution (conversion rate) but then use a normal distribution for some other calculations (T-Test and confidence intervals). This is totally fine as the normal distribution does approximate the binomial for large number of trials and conversion rates that are not too close to 0 or 1.</p>
<p>The takeaway is just that you should not jump to conclusions about the control and alternative until you have a decent number of trials.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://emptymind.org/understanding-statistical-significance-with-omniture-test-target/comment-page-1/#comment-2977</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ty.  Sorry for the confusion, I have updated the post.  Nice catch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ty.  Sorry for the confusion, I have updated the post.  Nice catch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ty Snouffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ty Snouffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for putting this up. I definitely needed a refresher!

The way variance was written tripped me up at first though. 

Variance (control) = 9.41(1 – 9.41) = 0.09

would probably be more clearly (and accurately) written as

Variance (control) = .0941(1 – .0941) = 0.09

Otherwise,  I think I could easily provide this info in a group setting to a varied group which I think makes it very valuable!

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for putting this up. I definitely needed a refresher!</p>
<p>The way variance was written tripped me up at first though. </p>
<p>Variance (control) = 9.41(1 – 9.41) = 0.09</p>
<p>would probably be more clearly (and accurately) written as</p>
<p>Variance (control) = .0941(1 – .0941) = 0.09</p>
<p>Otherwise,  I think I could easily provide this info in a group setting to a varied group which I think makes it very valuable!</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful post--thanks. Glad I came upon your site.

I agree with your reply to Whitney--to increase confidence (and statistical power), you need to increase the sample size.

--Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful post&#8211;thanks. Glad I came upon your site.</p>
<p>I agree with your reply to Whitney&#8211;to increase confidence (and statistical power), you need to increase the sample size.</p>
<p>&#8211;Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jorge,

Thanks for the comment.  To be clear, this isn&#039;t my methodology.  This is the underlying set of calculations that Omniture Test &amp; Target uses within their reporting interface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jorge,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  To be clear, this isn&#8217;t my methodology.  This is the underlying set of calculations that Omniture Test &#038; Target uses within their reporting interface.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason, 

I think we can both benefit from talking to each other. Nice post. I&#039;m not on board with how you come to &quot;confidence&quot;, but everyone&#039;s got a different angle. 

Cheers,
Jorge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason, </p>
<p>I think we can both benefit from talking to each other. Nice post. I&#8217;m not on board with how you come to &#8220;confidence&#8221;, but everyone&#8217;s got a different angle. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jorge</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the article - my team has been investigating this very math as we are noticing some disturbing issues with our T&amp;T confidence intervals. 

Specifically - can you explain how the LIFT confidence intervals are reported? ie. if it&#039;s showing a mean lift of 3% but the little hover option is showing -2% to 8% - how are they getting the -2% - 8% range? From our calcuations, they are taking the test group high bound less control group low bound for the high end and the opposite for the low end. 

But - how exactly is that statistical confidence? I need to be able to say &quot;We are seeing a 3% lift +/- X with 95% confidence (or whatever). Question is - how do we get to 3% +/- X% using T&amp;T&#039;s data? Right now, we are forced to calculate outside of T&amp;T using daily aggregates - not ideal. But T&amp;T&#039;s lift intervals are just too wide and do not seem representative of the true error of the lift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the article &#8211; my team has been investigating this very math as we are noticing some disturbing issues with our T&amp;T confidence intervals. </p>
<p>Specifically &#8211; can you explain how the LIFT confidence intervals are reported? ie. if it&#8217;s showing a mean lift of 3% but the little hover option is showing -2% to 8% &#8211; how are they getting the -2% &#8211; 8% range? From our calcuations, they are taking the test group high bound less control group low bound for the high end and the opposite for the low end. </p>
<p>But &#8211; how exactly is that statistical confidence? I need to be able to say &#8220;We are seeing a 3% lift +/- X with 95% confidence (or whatever). Question is &#8211; how do we get to 3% +/- X% using T&amp;T&#8217;s data? Right now, we are forced to calculate outside of T&amp;T using daily aggregates &#8211; not ideal. But T&amp;T&#8217;s lift intervals are just too wide and do not seem representative of the true error of the lift.</p>
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		<title>By: Sagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.

But, I dont think you can reach a higher level of significance by running the test for more days.

It all depends on the data you get. I mean, even after running it for more days, lets say the t-statistic comes out to be the same still, there&#039;s nothing much statistics can do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.</p>
<p>But, I dont think you can reach a higher level of significance by running the test for more days.</p>
<p>It all depends on the data you get. I mean, even after running it for more days, lets say the t-statistic comes out to be the same still, there&#8217;s nothing much statistics can do it.</p>
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